Uzobono wrote:Early morning post here so it might be a *bit* groggy-ish
Oh no don't take it as complaints, a complaint isn't the same as criticism Trish . (Like above Sumatra posted "Hated the furries.", that's a complaint...it doesn't really help :p).
It's why I said I'm a bit on the fence, I *am* waiting to fully decide when it's all said and done. These were just my opinions, there was no rationalization needed, whatever the comic is written as is decided by you, not...by majority or council or w/e :p.
Yeah. This issue does not exist in a vacuum. It's supposed to work just fine with all the issues that came before it. I planned it out that way, and there's another one left to come. The "flow" isn't there because the story isn't complete. It's like saying Batman is acting out of character when he makes a weird choice in one issue, only for the next issue to explain why he did it. Those answers are coming.
Uzobono wrote:On *that* though I think it's important to note that S&S, Clarissa, and Ring Mistress *are* McTek's characters so I think he should weigh in, but it just seemed to *me* personally that they were out of character a lot, for example...(trying to come up with a good one, I swear!)..
I should clarify a lot of things on that. For starters, I've been writing the dialogue for Sword & Shield since the very beginning. Every word of dialogue out of their mouths, all those personality quirks and character banter, was stuff I did. We collaborated on that since the beginning. I was there at the beginning. We spent HOURS talking about their character traits and qualities. We still do, frequently.
Secondly, I should state that the outline I'm using is the same outline MC Tek and I were originally working on that he approved. The story beats, the events, the character actions, all of that hasn't really changed, and all of it was created in collaboration with MC Tek. The only major change is Begbie took over art duties. If he hadn't, the story would largely be unchanged with Tek's art. The writing would have largely been the same. I haven't kept MC Tek in the dark about this. I've shown him frequent updates and progress reports.
But I do bristle a bit at the notion that I'm "screwing up" and writing them "out of character". Not a single, solitary character is being fundamentally changed, and all of them are going to end up right in line with future stories. It's bothering me quite a bit to hear that, considering how much thought I put into their actions, all their little secondary details and opinions, and how much I felt it resonated and worked. And I didn't do it in isolation. It's troubling to me that the story is pretty much the exact same as the one I was working on with MC Tek, but my handling of these characters is called into question.
I'll get into that a bit after this.
Uzobono wrote:If I wrote..Ms. Metrobay and I would of course ask Doctor Robo for how she speaks, what she *wouldn't* say or act like in any circumstance (sans mc of course) so if I had her talking like a 17th century colonial woman to the squad and hitting on every new member, I'm pretty sure it would sound "off". (Granted that's *really* extreme ;P)
I haven't heard any particular example of how any of my characters are acting "out of character" yet.
But, beyond that, I am a firm believer that for characters to truly thrive and grow and develop, they need to be exposed to new writers, new artists, new ideas, and new directions. And sometimes that means taking characters in directions the original creators didn't anticipate.
Finister Foul certainly didn't plan on MC Tek taking his character Fluffy, a cute Asian sidekick and best friend of Kitten, and turning her into an Amazonian German evil daughter of Von Ick that spent years with a Ms. Metrobay-clone as her maid. Fin didn't plan on his sweet, naive police cadet, Crissy Tanner, becoming a cold and ruthless robot slave under Doc Robo's pen. Under Fin's pen, Ms. Metrobay has become an actual human cow while several important heroines are serving a Black Hat-possessed Snowflake. Under MC Tek's direction, my heroine Hypnotica was attacked and brainwashed by Black Pussycat and turned into a school-girl spy... not MY original intent or any plans I'd do for her.
But in every last single story I have ever done, I have approached heroines, both new and old, and I refuse to do a story with them unless I can develop them in a new way. That doesn't mean I completely change them, but I have to have a reason for using them, and I have to develop them. They never, ever stagnate. That means I do a story with Goldwing, and I explore her love life. I do a story with Valor Girl, and I explore her struggle and self-confidence at resuming her career after an absence. I do a story with Violet Star, and I explore her longing for companionship. I do a story with Babydoll, and I explore her motivation for being a villain. I do a story with Valient Grrl, and I explore her struggles and self-image issues. I do a story with Alpha Woman, and I explore her struggles as a leader in the shadow of her mother. I do a story with Enchantress, and I complete her journey from callous villain to reluctant hero.
If you want characters to be completely untouched and exactly the same in my stories as they are before, then I don't think you'd ever like any of my stories. I will never do a story with an "interchangeable" heroine or villain. They're all there because I have a plan for them, and I've had a plan for Sword, Shield, Ring Mistress, and Clarissa, and, trust me, it falls in line with Tek's plans for these characters (both past and future).
I don't approve of everything Fin, MC Tek, or Doc have done with my characters, but I fully and completely support and approve them doing it anyway, in spite of my hesitance, because using them in new ways has given characters like Enormica, Hypnotica, and Shawna Leela Patel, characters I created, new life and new ideas and new directions to explore. I did not always "approve" them, but I will almost always allow it.... unless something happens I extremely disagree with (I didn't allow a scene for Enormica to get a broken jaw in a fight, for example).
Variety is what keeps these comics alive and fresh. This is turning into a rant, but in summary, I worked on this with MC Tek; he's basically been the shadowy presence in this entire story, and his hand is heavily involved, despite his desire to move on from this story and allow me to finish it without his direct involvement. It's the same involvement as before, and I've been the one constantly doing the "voice" of these characters in this story since the first panel. None of that changed.
But even if I DID decide to do something drastic, and I would ask permission for something drastic, that doesn't mean it's bad. I was heavily criticized by some people for turning Enchantress into a hero, for example, but I absolutely feel it was the perfect path to take her down and flesh her out with. Fin wasn't sure it would work at first, but her shift in character was dynamic and has left her as one of the most interesting heroines on the team. I'd do it again in a heartbeat, even knowing many people didn't approve. But for this story, it was all pre-planned years ago, and the plan has shifted very, very little.
Uzobono wrote:It's just my personal kink though for the favor of a slow burn, which I think S&S could have benefited from (like Kari *isn't* just panicky and possessive as she nears Megan, she's been...torn for a while, etc) and I realize that with 2D a slow burn set of comics would take....a long time.
It's been nearly two years... I don't think I could afford a "slow burn" at this point. I'm STILL getting harassed elsewhere for taking as long as I did. I think if I did a slow burn at this point, they'd burn my house down.
Besides, just glancing above, some are STILL saying the story was "too slow" for this issue and they wanted more plot and action. *sigh* Next issue, dammit. Next issue is all the action you can shake a mind controlling dildo at (shameless plug for "A New Toy".)